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Stephen Moore: Fannie Mae and 'Freddie Maxine'

Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters of California appears a lock to become the next chairman of the House's powerful Financial...

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Association health plans a move in the right direction

REPUBLICANS have been attacked as do-nothings on health care, largely because they failed to repeal and replace the Affordable...

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Teachers and activists not always on same page

DURING this year's teacher walkouts, activists vowed to “remember in November.” The implied message was Republican candidates...

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Cal Thomas: Will the moment seize Democrats?

We are about to find out whether Democrats meant it when they lamented the loss of civility in Washington. Having won the...

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E.J. Dionne: What House Democrats need to do

WASHINGTON — Expanding health coverage, reforming our democracy, restoring upward mobility with well-paying jobs, curbing gun...

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California shows folly of “progressive” model

SOME activists blame Oklahoma's problems on conservative governance. As we've noted, that narrative is more hype than reality....

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Opinion: Commutation votes a sign of progress

BY recommending commutations for 22 Oklahoma prison inmates, members of the state Pardon and Parole Board indicated that they...

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Rich Lowry: No, Trump is not diminished

Midterm losses typically humble a sitting president of the United States, but Donald Trump is beyond humbling. He is the most...

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Opinion: The significance of Veterans Day

Omar Bradley once called Armistice Day “our day of conscience.” Speaking before the Boston Chamber of Commerce in 1948 to...

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Point of View: Why I love being a veteran

If you had told me how I would look back with fondness on the time I served as brigade commander during the worst of Diyala...

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George Will: Mississippi residents should be allowed to undergo self-rehabilitation

WASHINGTON — In the previous 50 years, the state of Mississippi has validated Lord Tennyson's belief that "men may rise on...

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Your Views Sunday, Nov. 11

A more accurate term I sold life and health insurance for 20 years with multiple companies and accompanied many prospective...

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New Oklahoma governor’s success will require focus

KEVIN Stitt has gone from candidate to governor-elect, and the hectic pace of the transition process is underway. To succeed as...

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Point of View: Oklahoma voters got this one right

Oklahoma's vote to expand crime victims' rights through State Question 794 represents a significant and hard-won victory for...

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Point of View: A great opportunity to help Oklahoma students

Every election is historic. It's trite to say so. Still, we can't look at the 2018 results without realizing our children's...

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Welcome remarks from presidents of OU, OSU

FROM the presidents of the state's two comprehensive universities come refreshing remarks about the need for changes in our...

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J.C. Watts: Now is the time to pass "First Step Act"

You would expect that in the face of midterm elections, the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation and the ongoing Robert Mueller...

Three lingering questions after Bedlam

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Oklahoma State had a strong performance in the 48-47 Bedlam loss, but questions remain with only two games remaining in the season

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Point of View: Consider veterans’ war stories without romanticizing them

For as long as there have been wars, which in human history is forever, there have been stories about war. They stretch back to...

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Oklahoma ScissorTales: Another election cycle with few headaches

THE 1,184,355 votes cast in the governor's race this year were the most all time for a gubernatorial election in Oklahoma....

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Jonah Goldberg: Political parties can no longer harness their bases

It is perhaps the central irony of our politics today: We live in an incredibly polarized and partisan moment, but our...

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Oklahoma state question results show no urge for change

AFTER Oklahoma voters rejected the idea of placing optometry shops in big-box stores, a spokesman for the committee that sought...

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Ruth Marcus: Why Whitaker is the wrong choice to replace Sessions

WASHINGTON — Matthew Whitaker, President Trump's selection to replace Jeff Sessions as attorney general, is the wrong choice...

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Michael Barone: Split election result sends polarized politics toward 2020

The Republican president, considered a lightweight and an ignoramus by many in Washington, suffered a setback in the offyear...

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Opinion: Vaccine survey is reason for concern

NEW statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention regarding childhood vaccinations will give heartburn to...

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Your Views Friday, Nov. 9

Birthright citizenship question So President Trump wants to issue an “executive order” barring illegals having babies and the...

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Stitt must now deliver on promises

THE top-line numbers in Oklahoma races this week were largely unchanged from past election cycles — Republicans dominated. But...

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George Will: Political antibodies are strengthening the nation's immune system

WASHINGTON — America's body politic has recently been scarred by excruciating political shingles, and 2018 campaigning was...

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Hard work, demographic shift key to Horn's 5th District victory

AS was widely expected, Democrats regained control of the U.S. House of Representatives during Tuesday's midterm elections. Far...

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Marc Thiessen: The short-term memory of the outrage machine

WASHINGTON — When the president announced that he was sending the U.S. military to help secure our southern border, he received...

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Point of View: This date isn't worth celebrating

Imagine that the federal government received all the money it was destined to collect for the entire year on Jan. 1. This year,...

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Superintendent realistic about OKC district challenges

AFTER four months as superintendent of Oklahoma City Public Schools, Sean McDaniel is still trying to catch his breath. Given...

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Your Views Wednesday, Nov. 7

Don't like it? Move Mike Barnett (Your Views, Oct. 30) is convinced that life in his “Super Blue” states is unicorns and...

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Akron Beacon Journal: #MeToo and its core mission

SINCE #MeToo vaulted into widespread awareness a year ago, a movement rooted in assisting victims of sexual assault has...

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Opinion: Bernie Sanders' plan is financial quicksand

Bernie Sanders continues his Midterm American Tour. Bernie's opening act, democratic socialist rising rock star Alexandria...

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Cal Thomas: Ending birthright citizenship

In 2004, nearly 80 percent of Irish voters decided to end birthright citizenship. In its coverage the BBC said, “The government...

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Stephen Moore: Five midterm races that matter most

I've been arguing for months that the ideal outcome in the midterm elections to set up Donald Trump for a landslide re-election...

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Social media giants’ record not improving

FOLLOWING the 2016 election, it became clear social media sites had been used to spread false information, including bogus ads...

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Election Day: Oklahomans should take advantage of this great privilege

TUESDAY is Election Day, when Oklahomans will choose a new governor, fill other statewide offices, and select legislators,...

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Jonah Goldberg: Maybe America just wants a parliamentary system?

Americans, God bless 'em, revere the Constitution even if they disagree on what it says. Heck, they revere the Constitution...

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Michael Barone: Voters head to the polls to relitigate 2016

On Tuesday, Democrats and Republicans will compete for the 42nd time in a nonpresidential-year contest — a rivalry that goes...

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Is Oklahoma's left-lane law worth the hassle?

EACH year, there are any number of laws enacted that appear a “solution” in search of a problem. Oklahoma's left-lane law falls...

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Oklahoma GOP candidates must convince voters of competence

THERE is an old joke about a baseball manager who, after watching a rookie make mistakes in center field, declares he will show...

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E.J. Dionne: It's time to stand up for our right to say "we"

WASHINGTON — Let's use this year's elections to insist that there is still a "we" in our country. It is a "we" that crosses the...

Reflections on Stan Lee, who marveled a generation

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In the 1960s, Marvel Comics writer and editor Stan Lee was the first to give super-heroes personable flaws, to make their secret identities more relatable to the average reader. It worked phenomenally, and characters such as Spider-Man, Thor, the...

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Rich Lowry: Trump should put away his pen and phone

All of a sudden, we're all originalists and believers in the sagacity and inviolate handiwork of long-ago white males....

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Oklahoma's first gentleman: Governor has much to be proud of

I could never be a politician. Most people wouldn't! During this election season, I've seen commercials and read articles...

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Your Views Sunday, Nov. 4

Convoy's claim The convoy of immigrants headed for the United States claimed they were leaving Honduras to escape the dangers...

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George Will: The madness of college basketball goes well beyond March

WASHINGTON — Until last week it seemed that the Division 1 college basketball industry could produce nothing more risible than...

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Marc Thiessen: No, the president cannot end birthright citizenship

WASHINGTON — In an interview for "Axios on HBO," President Trump announced he will sign an executive order ending birthright...

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Stitt, Russell among those who merit support

ON Tuesday, voters have the chance to determine the direction of our government for at least the next two years as they vote on...

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Point of View: Preparing Oklahoma students for the workforce

When a CareerTech student brings an idea to life by prototyping it on a 3-D printer, or receives affordable, hands-on training...

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All five Oklahoma state questions worthy of support

TUESDAY's election ballot includes five state questions. The Oklahoman recommends a “yes” vote on all five, which are reviewed...

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Opinion: It's time for Oklahoma to liberate vision care

In many states, walking into a grocery store and filling a contact lens prescription or buying a pair of glasses would seem...

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Cal Thomas: We must address the hatred that consumes us

"Some of my best friends are Jews.” That familiar, yet offensive, phrase has been used by some people as a defense against an...

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Point of View: Oklahoma could learn from Finland

Oklahoma voters have important decisions to make that will impact public schools. The media on education has painted a doomsday...

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Your Views Saturday, Nov. 3

Stitt's strong suit Oklahomans are about to make an important decision in hiring our next governor. Do you want to hire a...

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Oklahoma ScissorTales: Honoring Luper a no-brainer for OKC district

THE Oklahoma City school board will decide Nov. 13 whether to name its new administration building after Clara Luper. The board...

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Jonah Goldberg: Trump didn’t encourage Pittsburgh shooter, but he’s not helping

The debate over whether President Trump encouraged the man who set out to slaughter Jews at the Tree of Life Synagogue in...

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E.J. Dionne: Tuesday's choice: the polarizer versus the problem-solvers

GLEN ALLEN, Va. — Listening to the conversation at Robert Jones' Parkside Barber Shop and Grooming Lounge, you'd never know we...

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Your Views Friday, Nov. 2

Answering his own question Ed Cook (Your Views, Oct. 26), a 50-year registered voter who has voted in every election since he...

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Point of View: Oklahoma's children deserve better

The teacher walkout in April highlighted the terrible condition many Oklahoma schools are in due to benign neglect in the form...

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Economic differences driving political debate

DIFFERENCES in cultural mores are often blamed for the nation's political divisions. But economic differences also play a major...

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New Oklahoma painkiller law brings questions

TO attack the problem of too many opioids in circulation in Oklahoma, the Legislature this year passed a law that places...

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Actions in two districts hurt schools’ cause

GOVERNMENT waste and questionable expenditures are bad in times of budget stability but they're especially vexing when finances...

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Marc Thiessen: Our descent into vitriol began long before Trump

WASHINGTON — After a deranged Democrat living in his van nearly assassinated Rep. Steve Scalise, R-La., firing more than 70...

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George Will: Missouri's Hawley is an actual, not a pretend, conservative

CAPE GIRARDEAU, Mo. — Here in the state's southeast, which calls itself the Bootheel and nurses a genial distrust of Missouri's...

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Trump misses mark with birthright citizenship effort

AS he did on the campaign trail in 2015, Donald Trump is talking about trying to do away with birthright citizenship. In an...

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Your Views Wednesday, Oct. 31

End the property tax November is just around the corner and is the month homeowners get that dreaded property tax bill we are...

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Kathleen Parker: A word from our president (not really)

WASHINGTON — Network announcer: We interrupt our regularly scheduled programming for this special message from the president of...

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Oklahoma City has benefited from Joel Levine's work

SOMETHING about Oklahoma City struck Joel Levine the right way when he first came here in 1976. “I looked around and I said,...

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Ruth Marcus: Trump has stoked the fears of the Bowerses among us

The important thing to understand about the deadliest attack on Jews in U.S. history is that the alleged killer did not merely...

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Cal Thomas: The sickness spreads

Just in time for Halloween comes a former male stripper, who drove a van with Trump stickers plastered all over it, being...

Former state park manager calls for investigation following lease to private company

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Earlier this year, the Oklahoma Department of Tourism and Recreation turned over operations at Red Rock Canyon State Park to a company owned by Rick Thiel, a Hinton businessman. Thiel says he wants to make sure the park remains open for years to...

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Akron Beacon Journal: Portman's timely warning about auto tariffs

ROB Portman added his voice to those urging President Trump to resist imposing tariffs on auto imports under the cover of...

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Point of View: Placing a med school in rural Oklahoma

Oklahoma State University and the Cherokee Nation are changing the way America trains doctors. Close to patients, close to...

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Stephen Moore: Why the left doesn't like prosperity

Here is Moore's rule of modern-day politics: The better the economy performs under President Donald Trump and the more...

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A big leap from angry rhetoric to bomb threats

GIVEN the targeting of political figures by a mail bomber, two things are worth stating. First, no one should hesitate to...

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Michael Gerson: How can Republicans condemn fire when they follow a political pyromaniac?

WASHINGTON — Americans like to think of the military defeat of Nazi Germany and the liberation of death camps as their answer...

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Contraband adds to Oklahoma prison strains

THE Department of Corrections has a big problem with crowding. A recent story underscores some of the headaches that result...

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Your Views Tuesday, Oct. 30

Second-rate results Regarding The Oklahoman's Oct. 16 and Oct. 21 editorials touting the failure of Medicaid expansion and low...

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Improving roads needs to be focus for Oklahoma lawmakers

THE Legislature will have a different look in 2019, as November's elections could result in as much as half of the state House...

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Rich Lowry: The caravan is real

The last thing the left wants prior to the midterms is an image dramatizing the weakness of our southern border. So the caravan...

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A welcome defense of free speech on campus

OKLAHOMA higher education officials have lamented the budget cuts of recent years and noted their negative impacts on producing...

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Okla congressional incumbents merit re-election

IN considering the re-election bids of politicians, the question that should be asked is whether the incumbent has done...

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George Will: Abrams gives Democrats a tantalizing sense of 2020 possibilities

GRIFFIN, Ga. — "Life happens," Stacey Abrams instructs a small but boisterous crowd in a sun-drenched park south of Atlanta....

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Marc Thiessen: Trump's nuclear-treaty withdrawal sends a message to North Korea

WASHINGTON — In announcing his decision to withdraw from the 1987 Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces Treaty, President Trump...

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Your Views Sunday, Oct. 28

Who will pay? Regarding the letter by Sam Bowman (Your Views, Oct. 23). Who is going to pay for that expansion of Medicaid? The...

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Claims about Fallin’s tax record ignore reality

IN politics, narrative often trumps reality. This is the case with the oft-repeated claim that Gov. Mary Fallin and the...

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Point of View: Today’s climate challenge is within our grasp

When I was in graduate school, the climate scientists were predicting some of the effects of a warmer climate. They predicted...

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Clarence Page: Trump wants to be called a "nationalist," but by which meaning?

Knowing President Donald Trump's fondness for needless provocations, I actually felt somewhat relieved when he made news by...

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Your Views Saturday, Oct. 27

‘Witch hunt' rebuttal Joe Moore (Your Views, Oct. 22) states that neither Robert Mueller nor his team has found “one single,...

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Cal Thomas: Invasion of the country snatchers

Is it more than coincidence that thousands of migrants from Central America are seeking to enter the United States illegally...

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Physician: Down side to prosecuting new moms who have addictions

For pregnant women struggling with addiction, the act of seeking treatment is complicated by fear and stigma. The threat of...

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Point of View: Medicaid expansion threatens the most vulnerable Oklahomans

As Oklahomans who are younger than 25, when we think about public policy, we want solutions that work for the long run. This is...

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Oklahoma ScissorTales: State Question 798 merits support

ON Nov. 6, Oklahoma voters will be asked in State Question 798 whether the governor and lieutenant governor should run together...

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Your Views Friday, Oct. 26

Stop with the negativity In 1969, Peggy Lee recorded a song called “Is That All There Is?” I find myself, after 50 years as a...

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Jonah Goldberg: Mistakes of the past complicate Khashoggi affair

The biggest mistake the Trump administration made in the Jamal Khashoggi case occurred while Khashoggi was still alive: letting...

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Kathleen Parker: 2018 midterms: He vs. she

WASHINGTON — Slowly but inevitably, the two major political parties have become the party of women and the party of men — guess...

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Taking another stab at Oklahoma's uninsured drivers

OKLAHOMA consistently ranks near the top of the list of states with the highest percentage of uninsured drivers. It's estimated...

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Ballot measures across nation bear watching

THE five state questions on November's ballot in Oklahoma are among 155 being decided by voters in 37 states that day,...

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Point of View: Celebrating the success of Oklahomans with disabilities

Oklahoma has a lot to celebrate during this National Disability Employment Awareness Month. Under Gov. Mary Fallin, 11,896...

OSU football: Tyron Johnson's playmaking ability shining more regularly

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Tyron Johnson's ability to be a big-play receiver has been known since he transferred from LSU, but he's beginning to show it on a more regular basis

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Oklahoma taxpayers deserve review of classroom spending

FOUR years ago, state schools Superintendent Joy Hofmeister decried administrative waste in schools. Today she is rejecting an...

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Judicial appointments are a GOP success story

IN 2016, many conservatives wondered whether Donald Trump's verbal support of conservative polices would translate into action...

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George Will: Hate crime law is both unwise and unconstitutional

WASHINGTON — After showing off his swastika tattoo, Randy Metcalf became involved in a barroom brawl. One of his opponents was...

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E.J. Dionne: Stacey Abrams and the Second Reconstruction

ATLANTA — By engaging in voter suppression, Stacey Abrams' opponents are paying her the highest possible compliment. The former...

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Marc Thiessen: The highly consequential Mitch McDonnell

WASHINGTON — This weekend, left-wing protesters accosted Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell in a Kentucky restaurant,...

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Your Views Wednesday, Oct. 24

Eye care story After we retired and lost our employer-provided vision insurance, we tried the Walmart Vision Center in Idaho...

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Oklahomans should vote “yes” on SQ 800

THE budget challenges of the past several years have highlighted the problems created when state government relies too heavily...

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Michael Gerson: Afghan War: The price of security in a hostile world

WASHINGTON — The Afghan War — really, the war against terrorists and their allies in Afghanistan and Pakistan — has elements of...

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Stephen Moore: The real story about 'Medicare for All'

It seems like just yesterday that Democrats were telling us that under Obamacare, "If you like your doctor, you can keep your...

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Point of View: Law changed landscape for female business owners

It's hard to believe that 30 years ago, female business owners couldn't obtain a loan or a credit card without the signature of...

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Florida Times-Union: Suicides are spiking across the nation

SUICIDE is one of the most preventable causes of death, so it is worrisome that suicides are spiking throughout America. More...

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Laudable effort in OKC to hold domestic abusers accountable

WE have written more than once about a facility in Oklahoma City called Palomar, which opened in February 2017 and provides a...

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Your Views Tuesday, Oct. 23

Governor candidates and Medicaid Thank you for “Expand or not?” (News, Oct. 15), coverage of the gubernatorial candidates'...

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Bigger government can mean working-class strain

IN a recent release, a left-leaning think tank says Oklahoma has effectively become a high-tax state for poor and middle-income...

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Ruth Marcus: Trump thinks calling someone a "baby" is the ultimate insult

WASHINGTON — Listening to President Trump recently, the question arises: What's he got against babies? "I'm not a baby," Trump...

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On bringing down prescription drug costs

ONE problem with the cost and availability of prescription drugs lies in the regulatory arena. The solution to the problems of...

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Your Views Monday, Oct. 22

Time to end investigation Bill Tower (Your Views, Oct. 15) ignores one relevant fact about Robert Mueller's investigation. For...

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Opinion: Baggage is hard to shake for unpopular governors

IT wasn't that long ago that Phil Scott's popularity was sky high with voters in Vermont, where he was elected governor in...

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Legislator: Commutation effort continues the will of Oklahoma voters

Despite recent progress on criminal justice reform, thousands of Oklahomans remain in prison serving excessive sentences for...

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Your Views Sunday, Oct. 21

Saudi allies The administration has exceeded historical bounds in its enthusiasm for America's “ally,” Saudi Arabia. We...

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ACT scores show need for rigor in Oklahoma classrooms

IN a 2014 Oklahoman op-ed about the state of Oklahoma education, former Gov. Frank Keating said the Legislature “should demand...

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Kevin Stitt deserves nod in Oklahoma governor’s race

IN this year's gubernatorial race, the major parties have nominated two very different, but accomplished, men. Republican Kevin...

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Marc Thiessen: How not to modernize Saudi Arabia

WASHINGTON — If, as appears increasingly likely, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the killing of journalist Jamal...

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George Will: Arizona voters can save their judiciary from its spiral into politics

WASHINGTON — This year's election that most implicates fundamental issues of American governance will not fill a legislative or...

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Former legislator: Oklahoma needs State Question 798

Few issues have been more thoroughly vetted and endured a longer time of review than the subject of State Question 798. Now is...

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Rich Lowry: The poisonous allure of right-wing violence

Gavin McInnes is selling a marketable product. The pose of the right-wing provocateur and founder of the group the Proud Boys...

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Ruth Marcus: Hillary Clinton consistently disappoints

WASHINGTON — Between the man who is president and the woman who ran against him, there is, for me, no contest; Hillary Clinton...

John Grisham-supported candidate loses Oklahoma DA race

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Oklahoma district attorney said he was flabbergasted that best-selling author John Grisham supported his challenger in the Nov. 6 general election.

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Michael Barone: Can anti-Trump hatred carry the House for Democrats?

"I have some thoughts on 'enthusiasm' and the election," tweeted Amy Walter, the Cook Political Report's ace analyst of House...

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Your Views Saturday, Oct. 20

SQ 793's potential consequences Missing in “Oklahoma eye care proposal merits approval” (Our Views, Oct. 12) is a serious...

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Oklahoma ScissorTales: End of an era in OKC

SINCE its formation in 1957 — Dwight Eisenhower was president — the All Sports Association has done great work organizing...

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After the storm: The gut punch of losing your place

ONE forgotten tragedy heaped upon the calamity of 9/11 is the great number of people who went missing in the dust and chaos,...

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Your Views Friday, Oct. 19

Examining the candidates We have a distinct choice in our vote for governor in November. The choice is between the Democratic...

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Point of View: Elizabeth Warren's lessons in sovereignty

Sen. Elizabeth Warren's revelation that she could have Native ancestry has done little to help her cause, and shows that she...

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Methods in audit of Oklahoma VA raise questions

EARLIER this year, we wondered what officials were to make of an Oklahoma Department of Veteran Affairs audit that consisted...

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E.J. Dionne: Why Nancy Pelosi doesn't care what Dems say about her

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. — "Do whatever you have to do. Just win, baby." Nancy Pelosi's feisty, candid and pragmatic words to Harvard...

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Jonah Goldberg: Hollow complaints about "undemocratic" Senate

In the wake of the confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, a lot of people are suddenly very mad that the Senate...

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George Will: An unsparing look at the Vietnam War's mountain of mendacities

WASHINGTON — Early in his Marine Corps career, which he concluded as a four-star general, Walt Boomer was decorated for valor...

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OJA upgrade is a wise use of bond money by Legislature

TWO state agencies charged with tending to criminal offenders are pouring millions of dollars into their facilities, the result...

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Warren's dubious claim

FOLLOWING U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren's big reveal this week, CNN's editor at large for political coverage, Chris Cillizza,...

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Oklahoma officials pursue tobacco "moon shot"

YOU'RE driving down the road, obeying the posted speed limit, when you suddenly notice a police car's flashing lights in the...

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Rich Lowry: Hillary's #MeToo nightmare

Hillary Clinton won the political battle over Bill Clinton's sexual misadventures in the 1990s, at the cost of having to...

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Oklahomans should vote “yes” on SQ 801

IT is often said Oklahoma teachers are underpaid and not enough taxpayer money reaches the classroom. Voters have the chance to...

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Your Views Wednesday, Oct. 17

Devastating future generations A local convenience store ran a radio ad that began with the sound of a beer can opening. The...

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Clarence Page: President Trump offers Medi-scare for all

Maybe Donald Trump really believes his hype about the “lying media.” That might explain why his effort to produce a commentary...

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OSBI director: New effort aimed at Oklahoma's cold cases

Since 2010, the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation and other state public safety agencies have been under extreme economic...

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Stephen Moore: President Trump's North American trade triumph

For those on the left and right who were certain that President Donald Trump's presidency meant the end of global free trade...

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Your Views Tuesday, Oct. 16

Income tax cut's negative impact Regarding the letters by Gerald Sawyer and Brian McAlpine (Your Views, Oct. 10): Revenues...

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Opinion: Get in on the conversation about potential MAPS 4

WHAT should MAPS 4 look like? New Oklahoma City Mayor David Holt has asked folks for their answers to that question, and...

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Kentucky stats undermine Medicaid narrative

ADVOCATES of Medicaid expansion argue, correctly, that it can drive down the uninsured rate. Whether a lower uninsured rate...

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Your Views Monday, Oct. 15

Collateral damage After years of conspiring to hurt the wind industry in Oklahoma, our politicians have finally spilled blood....

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Providence Journal: Worth preparing for the threat of an EMP attack

THE United States faces many threats in today's world, from terrorism to computer hacking. There is a less-discussed threat...

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Oklahoma's judicial selection process is working

A cause celebre among some conservatives in the Legislature a few years ago was to change the way Oklahoma appellate court...

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Your Views Sunday, Oct. 14

Message to lawmakers When they drive into Oklahoma City to take up their legislative duties, lawmakers should please remember...

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Point of View: Working to change adverse conditions for Oklahomans

You may have been hearing the phrase “trauma-informed care” a lot more recently and there are good reasons for that. As the...

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George Will: How to heal our epidemic of loneliness?

WASHINGTON — If Sen. Ben Sasse is right — he has not recently been wrong about anything important — the nation's most-discussed...

Rural vote helped Stitt win governor's race

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Kevin Stitt not only won the election for Oklahoma governor, he did so by 12 percentage points, a wide margin of victory that surpassed most expectations and indicated the enthusiasm behind Stitt, especially in rural communities, was greater than...

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Michael Gerson: Democrats should resist the urge to fight fire with fire

WASHINGTON — One measure of the effectiveness of a political movement is how it changes its opposition. And Donald Trump is in...

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Does “ban the box” do more harm than good?

ONE idea to make it easier for ex-convicts to obtain work and begin productive lives is to end the practice of asking job...

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Being an incumbent isn't easy this year

HOW challenging is this election cycle for incumbent members of the Legislature, particularly Republicans? Consider this advice...

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Michael Barone: Don't look for civility unless Dems win in November

"You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about," Hillary Clinton...

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Oklahoma ScissorTales: Welcome news on retail front

IN past years, those seeking to liberalize laws regarding the sale of wine and strong beer often argued the state's restrictive...

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Point of View: Give Oklahomans a county option on education

Tourism became a focal point in Johnston County when Miranda Lambert opened the Pink Pistol in Tishomingo. People were on Main...

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Marc Thiessen: Trump could be the most honest president in modern history

WASHINGTON — Donald Trump may be remembered as the most honest president in modern American history. Don't get me wrong, Trump...

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Your Views Saturday, Oct. 13

A life-changing experience When he was in seventh grade, my son was the victim of extreme bullying. Now that he is enrolled in...

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Opinion: Wrapping the church in the Palestinian flag

In a few days, a group of Christians from the West Bank and their allies in the West will gather at a conference center in...

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Pelco CEO: The return of a mighty economic force

There's an iconic moment in the 1989 film “Field of Dreams” where Iowa farmer Ray Kinsella hears a voice saying: "If you build...

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Point of View: Expanding Medicaid makes good business sense for Oklahoma

As a business owner, if you found out you could leverage your resources and receive matching dollars at a rate of $9 for every...

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Your Views Friday, Oct. 12

Professor mistreated University of Oklahoma law professor Brian McCall recently resigned his administrative position over vocal...

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Oklahoma eye care proposal merits approval

EYE care is an issue few people think about until they need it, so State Question 793 may not be a top-of-mind issue for many...

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Trump makes misstep with ethanal decision

WE have had good reason to praise President Trump's deregulatory efforts and willingness to gore Washington's sacred cows, but...

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Clarence Page: Scary times? Trump doesn't know the half of it

Are you scared?” I asked my unmarried and almost-30 son that question as we had a sushi lunch. “Working on a column?” he...

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Jonah Goldberg: Post-Kavanaugh, things will only get uglier

Confirming Brett Kavanaugh was the best outcome at the end of a hellish decision tree that left the country with no ideal...

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Marc Thiessen: We haven't plumbed the depths of Democratic ruthlessness

WASHINGTON — President Trump apologized to Justice Brett Kavanaugh and his family for the "terrible pain and suffering" they...

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Dems lack clear message as 2020 approaches

AT the national level, Democrats are inspired by the prospects of winning enough seats in November's midterm elections to gain...

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Ads suggest anti-tax message still resonates

FOLLOWING passage of the biggest tax increase in state history and primary elections in which several tax opponents were...

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Kathleen Parker: Nikki Haley's comet has a long tale

WASHINGTON — Seated next to President Trump in the Oval Office on Tuesday, Nikki Haley did not look like a woman who had...

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George Will: Trump's trolling vs. the 'constitution of knowledge'

WASHINGTON — On the road again, and full of indignation about, or perhaps admiration for, what he called "made-up" and...

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Point of View: State Chamber working to improve the health of Oklahoma

At the State Chamber of Oklahoma, through OK2030, we are examining what the state will look like five, 10 and even 20 years...

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Rich Lowry: The left's foolhardy attack on the Senate

Democrats suffered a stinging loss in the fight over Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation, and have concluded that the constitutional...

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Your Views Wednesday, Oct. 10

Time for a change? I watched an interesting program highlighting the waste of millions of dollars at the University of...

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Stephen Moore: Ending the credit rating agency racket

This month marks the 10-year anniversary of the housing market meltdown that led to the Great Recession. Is another crisis...

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Columbus Dispatch: Newspapers need help to continue delivering original content online

IF you are reading this editorial in our traditional print product — old-fashioned ink on paper — thank you, although you're...

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E.J. Dionne: Turn outrage over Kavanaugh into action

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court's legitimacy is in tatters. Conservative forces in the country, led by the Republican Party,...

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A frustrating fight to curb overdose deaths in Oklahoma

THE effort to curb the scourge of drug addiction in Oklahoma is like playing a game of Wac-a-Mole, or plugging one hole in a...

OU football: Linebacker Curtis Bolton says defense, his group must improve for chance at playoff

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NORMAN — Oklahoma senior linebacker Curtis Bolton wasn't about to try to put much shine on the Sooners' defensive performance Saturday night in a 48-47 Bedlam win. “I'm not satisfied,” Bolton said. “I'm not happy with how we played. We've gotta...

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Michael Gerson: The Kavanaugh coverage exposed cracks in journalism's foundation

WASHINGTON — In the recent Supreme Court nomination showdown, American institutions underwent a stress test. And we saw the...

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No end in sight to this partisan slide

IN her remarkable endorsement of now-Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, lamented these...

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Report offers warning on military readiness

FOR five years, the conservative Heritage Foundation has released an annual “Index of U.S. Military Strength” report. The 2019...

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Cal Thomas: Susan Collins' finest hour

In a speech announcing her vote to confirm Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, reminded me of...

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Civics survey produces disappointing results

ANYONE wishing to become a U.S. citizen must display a grasp of civics — history and government. Applicants are given 100...

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Your Views Monday, Oct. 8

Long wasn't being political Regarding “Preacher's comments on Kavanaugh cause stir” (News, Oct. 3): Since the beginning of...

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Intolerance wins again on campus

WHEN college campuses make news for anti-free speech zealotry, the refrain from Oklahoma officials is generally that such...

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George Will: America's disturbing plunge into protectionism

WASHINGTON — The descent of American capitalism into a racket is being greased by professed capitalists in government, in...

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Opinion: What the "scooter wars" tell us

Electric scooters have been around for decades, so why have they suddenly gone from novelty to regular sight on the streets of...

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Oklahoma state rep: Lawmakers need to visit prisons to understand reforms

There will be more than 40 new lawmakers sworn into the House of Representatives after the November elections. I want to...

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SQ 794 warrants Oklahoma voters' support

WHEN Oklahomans go to the polls next month, they will not only elect numerous statewide offices but also vote on five state...

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Oklahoma businesses need clarity on marijuana

SINCE Oklahomans voted in June to legalize medical marijuana, business officials have urged legislators to provide regulatory...

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Your Views Sunday, Oct. 7

Congress does veterans wrong In 1956, when I raised my hand and swore to defend the United States against all enemies, foreign...

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Rich Lowry: No, Kavanaugh didn't lie

Brett Kavanaugh gave high-profile testimony that very few people seem to have paid attention to in any detail. The media is now...

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Point of View: A Texan's thank you to Oklahoma

Oklahoma, I want to start by saying sorry. I should have said “thank you” sooner, but as you can imagine, we are pretty busy...

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School boards director: Oklahoma can't afford ideas like SQ 800

Over the past few weeks across Oklahoma, public school teachers opened their paychecks and peeked at their bank accounts to...

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Your Views Saturday, Oct. 6

Try county superintendents Regarding “Reducing school districts a tough sell” (News, Sept. 30): Oklahoma has about 520 school...

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Oklahoma ScissorTales: Economic indicators keep shining

THE booming national economy is mirrored here in Oklahoma, where the jobless rate continues to fall and revenues to the state...

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Marc Thiessen: Ford's case continues to erode

WASHINGTON — At a rally in Mississippi on Tuesday, President Trump ridiculed Christine Blasey Ford's testimony last week to the...

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Jonah Goldberg: Could Kavanaugh's anger be righteous indignation?

Why is Brett Kavanaugh so upset? It's a question few ask because so many already think they know the answer. The most common...

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Study on moms in jail merits policymakers' attention

AFTER studying practices at the Oklahoma County jail two years ago, researchers with the Vera Institute of Justice noted that...

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Point of View: America needs a revolution in listening

In my work with aspiring Broadway performers, I hear a lot of belting. People who love musicals love the feeling of singing...

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Your Views Friday, Oct. 5

Skepticism warranted 18th-century French philosopher Denis Diderot proclaimed, “Skepticism is the first step towards truth.”...

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Many states facing school pay challenges

WHEN Oklahoma lawmakers increased taxes this year to provide teacher pay raises averaging $6,100, supporters argued low...

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Clarence Page: Cosby, Kavanaugh and #MeToo make a teachable week

In a darkly amusing irony, Bill Cosby's menu for his first week in prison includes pudding. No, it's not the pudding of the...

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Kathleen Parker: Probes of destruction

WASHINGTON — As we continue examining Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh's high school and college life, it has been easy to...

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George Will: By not being a team player, Flake served the nation

WASHINGTON — Preferring verbal felicity to practical wisdom, a character in a Benjamin Disraeli novel quipped, "A majority is...

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Augusta Chronicle: Unsubstantiated Kavanaugh claims could alter nature of the country

EVEN after the Senate's sad, shameful, indefensible spectacle last Thursday, the country doesn't know the truth or falsehood of...

Meetings yield few details about OKC school closures

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"I do know that there is some anxiety from teachers and principals about where they’re going to be next year," Capitol Hill High Principal Adam Jewell said.

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Campaign pressure evident in lawmaker's literature

YOU seldom see a politician brag, even implicitly, that he alone impeded access to treatment for children with addiction issues...

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Ruth Marcus: Kavanaugh's honesty goes to the core of his fitness

WASHINGTON — Does it matter how many beers Brett Kavanaugh drank in high school or college? Do we care what he wrote in his...

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Point of View: SQ 793 means better choices, increased access for consumers

Having access to affordable, quality eye care is critical to the health and independence of senior citizens. However, Oklahoma...

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Optometrist: SQ 793 wrong for Oklahoma

Optometry in Oklahoma, more than any other state, is a true medical profession. Our eye doctors do not just perform quick...

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Michael Gerson: Evangelicals need a higher call than street fighting

WASHINGTON — Baptists tend to be teetotalers, but some obviously make an exception for the potent Kool-Aid they serve at the...

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Stephen Moore: A trillion-dollar blunder by the CBO

I have spent some three decades railing against faulty budgetary scoring of tax bills, but the latest charade from the...

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Rich Lowry: Atticus Finch was on the wrong side

It's time for "To Kill a Mockingbird" to give up its treasured place in American culture. The 1960 novel by Harper Lee was...

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A worthwhile effort to aid OKC students

CONSIDERING the substantial number of adults who struggle with mental illness in Oklahoma — our rate among adults is among the...

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Trump produces a new trade deal on his terms

HIS approach to rebooting the North American Free Trade Agreement has been unconventional and controversial, certainly, but say...

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Your Views Wednesday, Oct. 3

Tariff turmoil The president's trade war with China is knee-capping American farmers. According to The Associated Press, China...

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Medicaid expansion no economic cure-all

SUPPORTERS of Medicaid expansion sometimes claim associated government spending will boost economic growth. This was voiced at...

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Kathleen Parker: Senator Jiminy Cricket

WASHINGTON — Republican Sen. Jeff Flake may have become a momentary hero for Democrats hoping to block Supreme Court nominee...

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Might veil one day be lifted from Supreme Court?

PROVIDED he makes it through the Senate confirmation process, Judge Brett Kavanaugh will advance to the U.S. Supreme Court...

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E.J. Dionne: Hearing taught us much about the character of two people

WASHINGTON — In a process already saturated with cynicism and soured by bad faith, it would be shameful but unsurprising if an...

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Jonah Goldberg: The problem with Trump’s ‘doctrine of patriotism’

President Trump began his address to the United Nations last week with some of the boilerplate braggadocio that forms the basis...

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OKC Council policy change will aid taxpayers

IN discussing rules that would allow the public more time to comment on economic development deals being considered by the...

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Study shows many benefits to school choice

OPPONENTS often claim school choice programs that allow parents to use tax dollars to send children to the school of their...

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George Will: America should do away with the death penalty

WASHINGTON — Without being aware of it, Vernon Madison might become a footnote in constitutional law because he is barely aware...

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Michael Gerson: In the midst of dehumanization, we saw two humans laid bare

WASHINGTON — In the end, everything — every blasted thing — gets sucked into the polarization black hole, never to emerge...

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Your Views Sunday, Sept. 30

Democrats' poor showing After watching the Democrats' performance in the confirmation hearing, a question comes to mind: Why on...

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Trump’s Iran comments deserve attention

MUCH coverage of President Trump's recent United Nations address focused on attendees laughing when he referred to having...

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Neal McCaleb: Oklahoma well served by state-tribal bonds

The U.S. Supreme Court is considering a case of unique interest to Oklahoma. In Carpenter v. Murphy, the court will decide...

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Justice reform one issue of agreement between Oklahoma governor candidates

DEMOCRAT Drew Edmondson and Republican Kevin Stitt agree that efforts must continue to try to drive down Oklahoma's prison...

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Your Views Saturday, Sept. 29

Avoiding understanding Regarding Jonah Goldberg's “Making our politics even uglier” (Commentary, Sept. 21): As the dominants in...

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Michael Barone: How abortion polarized America

"Here's my question," tweets legal scholar Jeffrey A. Sachs, obviously in response to the controversy over Supreme Court...

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Mick Cornett: A great American story in a troubled political time

I recently had the honor of running to be Oklahoma's next governor. Though that effort ended on Aug. 28, my thoughts and hopes...

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Point of View: Oklahoma needs restorative system for women in prison

The Sooner State is known for its pioneering spirit, but it's not always good to be first. Oklahoma has the highest women's...

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Oklahoma ScissorTales: An Oklahoma success story

THIS week it was announced that Inspire Brands, the parent company of Arby's, is buying Oklahoma City-based Sonic for $2.3...

Former Oklahoma prep star Allonzo Trier returns as a Knicks contributor

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The way Terrance Ferguson remembers it, he was in seventh or eighth grade. He was playing for the best homeschool team in the country, but even he remembers Allonzo Trier. Ferguson was always taller than his peers, already dunking before he hit...

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Marc Thiessen: Brett Kavanaugh fights back

WASHINGTON — As the father of two daughters, I want them to live in a world where they are treated with respect and never...

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Ruth Marcus: Christine Blasey Ford's testimony was devastating

WASHINGTON — "Indelible in the hippocampus is the laughter, the uproarious laughter between the two ... I was underneath one of...

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Point of View: Oklahoma DAs not the enemy of justice reform

As president of the Oklahoma District Attorneys Association, I want Oklahomans to know your district attorneys are looking for...

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Your Views Friday, Sept. 28

Health rankings The most recent Bloomberg Health Care Efficiency Report is a sobering must-read for everyone, but especially...

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Washington Examiner: Trump misplays his trade hand

WITH tariffs and tweets, President Trump eggs on a trade war between China and America. With no trade talks on the horizon,...

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Change of party control in Congress won't mean improvement

AT an event this week in Philadelphia, former Vice President Joe Biden predicted the midterm elections would give Democrats...

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Jesus House officials: Oklahoma City's homeless require more than shelter

The recent Point-in-Time study to calculate the number of homeless persons in Oklahoma City revealed that while homelessness...

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Rich Lowry: The assault on Kavanaugh validates Trump

The attempted political assassination of Brett Kavanaugh is bad for the country, but good for a Trumpian attitude toward...

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Reason for hope with new Oklahoma veterans’ center

AFTER much turmoil, efforts are proceeding to close a state veterans' center in Talihina and open a replacement facility...

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Policy changes would help U.S. natural gas industry

THE U.S. oil industry is going like gangbusters, as evidenced by the news this month that the country had again become the...

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George Will: In today's politics, there's no such thing as rock bottom

WASHINGTON — When John Keats said that autumn is the season of "mists and mellow fruitfulness," he did not anticipate this...

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Oklahoma treasurer: A perfect time to start saving for college

For nearly eight years, I have encouraged Oklahoma families to save for college, and it's been one of the most rewarding...

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Could another Oklahoma teacher walkout happen in 2019?

WHAT will happen if, as the 2019 legislative session gets rolling, it appears common education isn't in line for another big...

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U.S. election security cash may have little effect

ELECTION security has been a focus for years now, especially since foreign interference via hacking attacks was noted during...

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Your Views Wednesday, Sept. 26

A wonderful experience I am a graduate of West Point and had the good fortune of attending the Oklahoma-Army game on Saturday....

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Michael Gerson: This isn't politics as usual, it's political pyromania

WASHINGTON — One of the dubious advantages of a Supreme Court nomination battle is how it brings into the open some of the...

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Stephen Moore: Saving the Republican Congress

Even at this late hour, President Donald Trump can save the Republican Congress in November — if they want to be saved. To...

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One father's laudable effort to destroy a harmful stigma

GARY Mendell's story isn't unique, and he's doing what he can to make that point to parents across the country. We need more...

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Cal Thomas: Time to end the judiciary circus

The Ringling Brothers & Barnum and Bailey Circus announced last year it was closing after a 146-year run, largely because...

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Even with reforms, new prisons a necessity in Oklahoma

THE Oklahoma Board of Corrections may use $116.5 million in bonds to build a prison or expand existing facilities. While some...

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Washington Examiner: Restore worker freedom, pass the ERA

THE 2016 election provided Republicans with an immense opportunity to govern and to demonstrate that their policies work....

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Your Views Monday, Sept. 24

Disgusting behavior Withholding the allegations involving Judge Brett Kavanaugh until the last possible moment is why people...

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City-county department planning new approach to justice reform

THE Oklahoma City-County Health Department has a variety of programs that are improving the lives of residents. It has plans...

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Point of View: Community efforts are crucial in saving lives

Many of us may not want to talk about it, but the truth is we've all likely been impacted by suicide and we all can play a role...

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Marc Thiessen: How much evidence do we need to destroy someone?

WASHINGTON — Christine Blasey Ford has accused Brett M. Kavanaugh of attempted rape while they were both in high school — a...

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George Will: Confirmation process a maelstrom of insincerities

WASHINGTON — The current era of scorched-earth politics began five years after there was, according to Christine Blasey Ford,...

Low turnover numbers not helping OU defense

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NORMAN — Oklahoma defensive lineman Neville Gallimore and linebacker Curtis Bolton treated Oklahoma State running back Chuba Hubbard like a pinball in the fourth quarter of Saturday's Bedlam game. On a fourth-quarter run, Gallimore got the...

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Oklahoma state spending needs transparency, real oversight

OKLAHOMA'S financial challenges over the past several years are tied largely to the 2015 oil bust. But they also, in the view...

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Kavanaugh saga Exhibit A for political ugliness

COLLEGE professor Christine Ford has accused U.S. Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of misdemeanor assault at a high school...

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Your Views Sunday, Sept. 23

Improve the standards “Math standards don't make grade” (Point of View, Sept. 12) reflects reasons for problems faced by...

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Your Views Saturday, Sept. 22

Drilling facts Berry Mullennix and Wade Hutchings (Point of View, Sept. 14) state that Mike Cantrell, president of the Oklahoma...

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Oklahoma ScissorTales: Salute to state's top teacher

FOR Becky Oglesby, Batman is the perfect superhero. “Batman was just an ordinary person with no superpowers, but he chose to...

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Blue Cross exec: Saluting Oklahoma's health champions

As the ninth leader of Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Oklahoma, I've had the pleasure of leading our company through many...

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Tom Coburn: Oklahoma can have affordable insurance

For the past two years, anyone shopping on Oklahoma's health insurance exchange has come face to face with the stark reality of...

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Michael Barone: Air has seeped out of Russia-Collusion balloon

"I did not, and of course I looked for it, looked for it hard." That was Bob Woodward, promoting his book on the Trump White...

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Michael Gerson: Senate has become a factory of suspicion and contempt

WASHINGTON — This is the cost when institutions have lost public trust. The United States Senate is supposed to be a...

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Clarence Page: Kavanaugh case takes us back to high school

It must feel ironic for Judge Brett Kavanaugh to be judged now by the standards that he once tried to apply in the toughest way...

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Jonah Goldberg: Making our politics even uglier

There are very few things I'm sure of in the latest, and worst, chapter in the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation saga. It's like a...

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Data show U.S. families better off financially today

AMONG some sectors of the political left, a popular economic narrative is one of doom and gloom in which a rapacious upper...